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Draft Minutes from 8th July 2024

Again, sorry for the delay, but please find below a summary of, and link to, the draft Minutes of the Kaber Village Hall Working Group meeting minutes from 8th July.

Notable Items

  1. Agreement to update 6th May Minutes to reflect decisions on Working Group in a format suitable for the CC submission.
  2. An update on financial matters (including the fact that our estimates & calculations for cost of heating were remarkably accurate (an error of less than £7 on a total bill of £778).
  3. Procedural and Work-list updates.
  4. Building Work update (expect to see a LARGE crane in the next couple of weeks removing the old Calor gas tank and installing bottles for winter heating)!
  5. Events and booking update
  6. Plans for a regular “Club Night” on Thursdays from September – keep your eyes open for a “flyer” on this.

You can read the complete minutes here 

Thank you all – lots happening!

The First Nine Months

Progress

We were looking at how our funds were behaving, nine months after the AGM, and the results show just how well you have done! – the Village Hall has more in the bank now than it did in September. Thank you to all the community who have supported the Hall by gifts of time, money or cooking – or just by supporting the events.

Learn More

We created a poster to provide some more detail on “the money”. You can see it if you click this link…The First Nine Months

More Events Planned

PS – the poster also talks about new events, like The Kaber Show and barbecue on 7th September,  Bingo and Hot-dogs, on 6th July and plans for “club nights” on Thursdays all this alongside Craft club on Tuesdays and Coffee Mornings on the third Saturday of each month!

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An Update on Electricity & Heating

We have been keeping a close eye on our biggest expense (Electricity for heating), and we wanted to tell everyone how we are doing… here’s an analysis we compiled for the Committee:

Heating the Hall:

An update on 11th February 2024

Forecast

In November we we did some analysis of the electricity costs since the 6th November (Called “Heating the Hall“) , Our analysis & the resulting forecast said the following:

Loo Heaters: They appear to cost around £15/week if they ran non-stop, but our best guess from the numbers is that they actually have been on about 30% (about £5/week). This cost will go up and down depending on the weather”.

Storage Heaters: We have run them at low (2 on the input control) at this level they “keep the chill off” and seem to sustain the building at about 9-degrees. Set this way they seem to use about £15/week.” to that figure we need to add the costs of turning them up for an evening event, and my estimates were: “A similar evening event using fan heaters and turning the storage heaters up for one night would cost about £28.

The Actual Outcome

So based on that estimate for the 69 days between 28th November and 5th February we would have forecast costs as follows:

  • 11 events @ £28:00/night = £308

  • Loo heaters 9.8 weeks @ £5:00/week =£49.28

  • Storage heaters 9.8 weeks @ £15/week =£147.86

  • total forecast cost = £505:14

The actual cost came out as £469:49 (plus £98 standing charges (pro-rata)).

Income since 29th November

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So, the net outcome is that we have an income of £381.31and heating bills of £505.14 – so while that seems quite bad, the warmer weather is coming….

…. But if we had had the gas heater running we would have forecast the costs to have been £257 as opposed to £505 (so pretty much halving our running costs), and we would have covered our electricity bill from the events we held and your generosity.

Do you know a gas engineer who can come and recommission the gas heater that was disconnected??

Heating the Hall

Brrrr – cold isn’t it!

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We seem to have been quite quiet over the last few weeks, but we haven’t been idle. Aside, from fitting new door locks, distributing the keys, un-jambing the brown door, stopping the loos from freezing cleaning the kitchen, analysing the insurance, grants and paperwork –  Very near the top of our agenda has been the subject of heating the hall.

In this post I wanted to describe the outcome of the research we have been doing and outline our intended plan.

This is quite a complicated subject – so you can read this post to find out what is happening, or just take it that the Trustees and Committee have a plan that should get us through the winter and put us in a better state for the future.

What We have

As you might be aware there are two sets of heating in the hall, some storage heaters and a large fixed gas heater.

The Storage Heaters

The storage heaters are designed to run overnight on “Economy 7” electricity (although it’s not called that these days!). They operate by using “low cost” electricity to store heat overnight and then release it through the whole day to warm the building. The amount of electricity (energy) they collect overnight is controlled by the “input control” on the heater – this is not like a normal thermostat, and they can only release during the day the heat they gathered overnight. We tried setting this input control to different values to see how it heated the hall and what it cost… the answers were alarming.

On “full” (5) they do heat the room to maybe or 13/14 degrees but use £100 of electricity a WEEK!!!

Turned down to “2” they do reduce the chill in the building, stopping the damp and freezing, but the rooms are too cold to meet in, about 9-degrees and by the end of the day most of the overnight stored heat is gone (ask the Crafters!) Set at this rate they cost around £15/week to run.

If one of the “team” comes in the night before, they can be turned up for a known event, but have to be turned down afterwards.

The other control on these heaters is a “boost” control. This is just an in-built convector heater, but sadly it will use the “expensive” (full rate) power, so it will be slow and very expensive to raise the temperature of the room for an event.

The Gas Heater

This is designed to rapidly heat the room (just what is needed for an event) but sadly, Calor have been telling KVH  for some years that the gas tank was too old and needed replacing. This didn’t happen, and at some point the heater was disconnected so is not in a working state.snowy4

We have done some computation and it seems this would cost around these will cost about £1:80 an hour (much more affordable), so about £5:50 for an evening or £7:50 for an afternoon session.

What’s Missing

There is nothing to heat the toilets or the Kitchen!

So, in the past Sam, has been forced to turn off the water supply and regularly drain the water from the toilets to stop them freezing.

Not a very good “community hub” if it doesn’t have loos or a way to make Coffee!!!

This has to be fixed, so we have temporarily placed some (donated from a Trustee’s boat!) tubular heaters (like greenhouse ones), with frost-stats in the toilets, to prevent the freezing, (but they are still pretty cold!!).

Sadly, it is illegal (and not safe) to have these plugged in when people are using the hall. Instead they have to be hardwired in, so we have engaged a local “spark”, with history in the Parish, to come an install some new ones we have purchased in the next few weeks. We will also install one under the sink in the Kitchen to save the pipes there.

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One of the team has some experience with hot things!

What Next

Item 1 is to fit the tubular heaters to save us from burst pipes.

Item 2 is to fix the gas heater, this has several steps…

  1. Pay Calor £200+ VAT to remove the old tank.
  2. Get someone to inspect the gas heater to make sure it can be used.
  3. Pay Calor to install a changeover valve so we can use 47KG “tall bottles” – (one should last almost a year). Sadly they can’t do this until February.
  4. Connect up the gas fire – and at least we will be affordably warm when we are meeting…

At that point we need to think about a longer term plan.

The obvious answer seems to be solar heating (solar panels and storage heaters working together) but we are also speaking to suppliers to look at other options (Infrared etc.) and looking at improved loft insulation (does anybody know where we can get some fleeces, as that seems to be another approach! )

We are also looking into how/if we can access some grants to help cover the heating costs and allow us to offer a “warm space” for the community.

So, while it might take a month or so to fix the situation properly, and we will have to do with fan heaters in the interim (at about £2:50 per hour each) – we DO have a plan and it is being worked on.

A vote of thanks to the Chair, Secretary,  and Treasurer for ploughing through all the information, paperwork and administration. As none of the previous committee decided to continue, one of our first jobs is to prepare a “handover report” so we understand where we are, and any outstanding commitments – we will publish this here in the coming weeks, so that you all know how your Hall is situated, from funding to fire inspections.

If you want to know more, please talk to any of the Committee, Friends or Trustees. If you want  more detail you can read the report we made to help us in decision making by clicking the link below, or even read the spreadsheet with all the meeting reading and computations….

The “Report”

The “SpreadSheet”

Hope that helped – Just remember to bring your big coat!